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“Vainglory community. My name is christian ed to the shred zegers trolley and i m m here with sean rock quarry austin. Who s a vp of engineering and long vg better and those of you guys who would remember he was running around at our very first big lorry tournaments. Sending up the wi fi and making sure that our servers have been running since and i m also joined by are a relatively new joiner of ours at kevin michael johnson.
Who goes under the player name of cloaking. He joined us actually from blizzard. A couple of months ago to help with the project spell fire. But given the situation we re in we figured that hey this could be a great time to also introduce him to all of you guys kevin anything you want to say to the community.
Yeah absolutely guys. It s an honor to be here it s been an awesome time collaborating with super evil over the last few months. I m obviously new to a lot of you anxious to get introduced and to get caught up on your history and all of those things so excited to know you i will be helping out with this situation concerning. Ben glory.
Which is obviously why i wanted to make my introduction. But um. I ll speak a little bit more about my personal path. The super evil over the coming days.
So you can expect more from me. But for now hello. I ll be quietly in the background of this particular video. But yeah expect more from me in the future.
Thanks kevin. So we re here of course in the virtual remote all remote lair and talking you guys ever zoom. But what we really wanted to do today which was to give you guys an update on the future of vainglory as many of you guys will know last week. We were handed a bit of a surprise on wednesday.
When our partner for publishing in the west rogi games announced that they were no longer going to be the publisher of vainglory in the west in fact they were going to shut off the servers by friday. Now through a lot of hard work by liquori here and a lot of others. We did manage to save that situation and keep the keep the server s up and running. But we ve effectively landed bain marie back into our hands on friday of last week.
I wrote a reddit post on this that you may find on reddit on friday and we then promised that we were going to take the weekend look and the early this week and look at seeing what we can do and what our alternatives are and what we re going to do and then tell you guys about it. So that s really what this video is all about and of course. I want to emphasize that community in china. That this does of course not to concern.
China. Nettie s are also publishing partner in china. And will remain so so for now. We re talk about only the west so as i mentioned in the in the ready post.
We did look at a lot of alternatives this weekend. So we had three main things that we were considering first of all finding a new publisher could we find somebody a little bit like rogue ames who could take on vainglory and if you like run with it publish it do all of the work for it. And so on and there are some of them around we had some conversations. But to be honest.
We didn t this didn t turn out so well for us last time if you like we re really deeply passionate about the quality of vainglory and the quality of the player experience and all sorts of things and and and for this we really think that it deserves a lot of love and attention over long term and and so picking. A publisher was not something that we were very comfortable with now second alternative would have been to take on and maintain the game ourselves..
Unfortunately. We ve actually been so focused on building projects baelfire. Now for a long time as a studio that we simply don t have the capability to do that we just don t have the resources that people the ability to do the game justice moving forward and then thirdly the saddest option of all would be to shut. It down to actually go ahead and turn off the servers entirely the way that rogue was going to do.
But maybe on a slightly more longer time scale. Now we obviously hate that option because we love the game. We ve been player since day one ourselves. We have a really soft spot both for the game itself and also for you guys the awesome community.
So that s really not a route that we did we wanted to go down. So we had three bad options that we couldn t really couldn t really choose between so for most great was the la quarry here does what he does so often or did what he does so often. Which is actually come up with a fourth option that we hadn t even thought about and this is a crazy bold. Very risky attempt to do something entirely new and different that perhaps at least.
We haven t seen being done anywhere before certainly not opera for a mobile game where instead of handing vainglory over to a publisher. We would do something different where we would actually hand it over to you guys. The community in fact. We would na you guys to host your own servers make your own hero balancing.
Publish your own statistics. And more over time and to do it in a way. Where everyone can continue playing me and glory hopefully forever. Now.
This is admittedly a crazy plan we looked at it on the surface. We weren t sure if we can do it we re still not completely sure if we can do it. There s a meaningful chance that this won t work at all for sure. It will be a rocky road.
There will be times. When the servers or the service changes in unexpected ways. There will be lots of bumps on the road. But we are incredibly excited about this path that might allow vainglory to literally live forever.
So we wanted to give it a try and i m gonna hand it over to a quarry who s gonna explain the details of how this might work thank you for me the most important part here is making sure that you as a community are well served that there has been this wonderful community that is built up around vainglory. It s a wonderful game it deserves to have a wonderful community around it and that community deserves to be able to continue to play the game. And it did just it broke my heart. The idea that we had this wonderful thing still love watching people play on twitch and it was just it wasn t threatened of just going away and for me.
Like that was just a very disheartening and frustrating moment. It s like okay. How do we put vainglory in a situation where no one can kill it right how do we put it in a situation. Where it is being carried along by the people who love it as much as we do and so it was to me it was very much how do we manage to give this to the community.
We the most important thing is we have to get it off the server s because that s where the most and greatest threat is but how do you get it off servers and we that is where so much of the functionality the behaviors. What drives us where the matches are played is where your inventory is stored. So how do we get it off of servers. Okay so now we re starting to getting a profit.
Okay well we re going to core a pair down the the banglar servers to the very very core things those those minimum things needed to be able to do the most important thing in banglore e. Which is playing a match being able to read news is important being able to stay in touch with friends is important..
But there are other places you can stay in touch with your friends that you can make friends behind friends that you can you can build parties. There is nowhere else you can play on the fold. And so for me. It was let s get let s get it down to just being able to get you into matches.
What does that mean for the client that means the very the very minimum of the there s me a lot of things that you re used to finding in vain glory. That is going to be just gonna go away for right now. Some things are probably going to go away forever. And that s the trade.
This is a transformational process right and in a transformation. There are some things aren t gonna go away. And there are some things you re gonna get right as part of this the things that are likely are things that are gonna go away right yeah. We re losing friends losing the friends system.
We re losing our friends. The friends are still out there and we re hoping that you have ways to contact them and other means disk or twitch. There s so many ways so many different communications platforms and from places to build your build your community. So we re hoping that you will continue to use those services parties is gonna go away.
But i ll get back to decks. I really want to bring parties back there s gonna be quests or unfortunately gonna go away i love quests not everybody does i love quest. But that s not it s not something that we can maintain what we are gonna keep. Though is the play menu right so you re gonna be able to jump in you can be able to play tutorials will still be there and you re gonna be able to queue into and get into a match alright.
So some things are going through a way in the short term as well the the profile. When you go in there your historical information is all going to go away. Because that s all stored on the database. As well you will now have the ability to change or change your handle it will because that s going to be stored locally and we are maintaining your eloah.
So matchmaking will be based upon real numbers. Now there may be a hitch. There s there s a lot of sort of bumps in this road. And i m not gonna lie to you there s gonna be some times.
We re gonna hit something that s gonna be like wow. I really wish that had been better and for me. It s like yeah we re just gonna plow through those and get to the other side and make it better on the other side so when we start your ehlo maybe reset. I m gonna try to find a way to bring it back.
But you may end up being reset back to base you know. And you may have to try to climb again right to get back to your true ehlo. Some people are gonna view that as a challenge that actually really hurts me i m actually my ehlo solo it might actually help me. But the the point is like there s going to be some things are going to be different.
But it still be will be skill based matchmaking over time you will get back up to your skill tier. The one thing that s really bothered me the most was losing parties so i really wanted to try to find a way that we could keep parties without having a large database back end system to to manage all that i think i ve got away. It s a technical challenge. We re doing some experimentation right now and i don t want to promise anything.
But this is really important to me that we d be able to form in metric. Because it s just such an inviting way of being able to get into matches you can still have private matches..
You can still run tournaments like it being able to keep parties unlock so much of what s amazing about this community. So trying to get that back but after a certain point like that still leaves some servers that we are continuing to operate and you know matchmaker and in game servers. We re gonna find ways of trying to do that better and cheaper. We re also going to be working closely with some community partners that are really exciting like they part of their you their their community people who happen to have formed organizations and we re going to work with them to try to figure out how they can start to take over the servers.
How they can start to take over first the game servers and eventually the matchmakers right so there might be a in north america. The ciseaux organization is now running the matchmakers and running the game servers in in in vainglory. And you ll see that as you go into queue in you ll see you know server is provided by bra and that s gonna be amazing to me that s that starts the real transition to this being a community project and the reason. Why we re coming out to you right now.
Giving giving these information is really need this to be a community based project. We re gonna take these steps right we hand something over to you and we re gonna wait for feedback like hey tell us how you feel about that and we re gonna figure out what s the next right step to take but the idea is we want to you as a community to take over the server operations that way you as a community get to make all the decisions about the servers. If you want a oceania server. You can spin one up and sydney that s a thing that you can either form an organization and get with us and later on the next step would be actually making it so.
That you can can run and operate your own game servers first it ll be you know we ve got a lot of technical work that needs to happen so first it ll just be you run the servers. That we have and then my real vision for this though is unlocking. All the potential creativity in the community to not just be like i wanna run servers here and here in here that s that s my kind of creative as technical kind of creativity. I want to unlock the passionate creativity that you have for the game.
I discussed this with a friend he s like you know what i really want to do i want to create all the the to make all the tuning changes. I ve wanted to make in this game. Forever. Basically.
He wants to make sky overpowered and i understand that he loves sky right. But everybody has these ideas about how they would take vainglory and not done next step in the in the way in the direction. That they love and for me. That s when it really becomes a community project.
When you can continue to evolve. Vainglory. Where you can really share with everybody you re passionate in your vision. I just can t wait to see what you re going to do with this and and then that s that s the direction.
That s what we re trying to get to thank you liguori that s great so to summarize expect major changes to the game as soon as this week. We love this game. We re trying to work very hard to make sure that it can live forever. And that we can do something entirely new and different with it that we really haven t seen other games do it work very closely with you guys to make that possible so expect some core functionality to disappear or work in funny ways in the short term and then expect some service disruption.
I would be amazed if this would all happen with no downtime with no kind of hiccup. Several different kinds of different points. In time expect all kinds of bumps in the road as a result. We will be right there with you so our commitment to you is to communicate all the way through to tell you exactly what s going on the ins and outs and of course this conversation for all of this stuff.
Expect all heroes and skins and pretty much everything else to be freely available at least through this transition period. Quite possibly for a very long time so. Here s what we will need from you guys because this is not a thing that we can do on our own first of all any community organisations. Who are interested in hosting a server.
And this will not be a particularly technical task at any point. This will either be through our sorry or through through some third party partners that we re lining up right..
Now. Please ping us let us know one reddit or anywhere else will be available on the all channels. We will figure out how to set up the communications channels here as well as possible we d love to hear from you love to hear about your hopes and dreams and questions. So that we can answer those well as we prepare over the next couple of weeks.
And we also frankly all of you guys patience this transformation will take time it s a project that we are really excited about because we think. It s been such an amazing journey with you guys for these past six years or so on or vainglory. I would love to keep continuing that journey forever and this is the starting point for that journey. So we re really excited about it please be patient with us as we go through this transformation.
Which will probably take many many months from the beginning of this week to an end state where some of sean s or some of a chorus vision that he outlined will actually happen and then finally energy luck war is gonna need all the energy that you guys in his way. Because he s gonna be his day job continues to be helping stand up projects well fire. Which is what the entire studio is focused on by he is look worried. He s making this thing happen so together with our partners at headquarters.
So please do send him all the energy that you can possibly provide thank you in advance for all the support these are incredibly complicated times for everybody we recognize and we appreciate all the support that you ve given us over the years and all the support that you re giving us throughout this complicated transition period. So in you know in conclusion. I hope all of you guys your loved ones are staying safe. Expect our next communication from us within.
Probably certainly within a week probably within a few days. We ll also organize a reddit ama at some point in time and in fact. This is where i turn you over to cloaking to talk about what how we will talk to you guys next but from me thank you so much and stay safe yeah absolutely guys you re gonna be hearing from us we want to hear from you there s a lot to take in there from what liguria has just sort of ran you through and i imagine. There s some fear there like when he talks about you know match history things like that just disappearing.
There s a lot about the game that you know and love that you may be afraid you re losing. I want you to know that we want to hold on to as much of that as possible and we don t have all the air answers at the moment. So we want to know what you care about what you fear all those things like christian said. I m gonna post a reddit ama please put your questions in there we ll try to do another one of these maybe videos.
Where we answer those questions and go through them. Once you guys all have a chance to put it all in there expect to see some familiar faces out there besides me nailless is back. She s been working with me on projects baelfire. But of course.
We re turning our attention here on vainglory community edition. So you ll see some familiar faces out there we re really excited to connect with you i m excited to learn what this community is all about a much more personal way so yeah all the familiar locations twitter facebook reddit they ll like so please hit us up also we will be looking at the vainglory discord the verified one as a place where this community can begin to galvanize and and connect so please do check that out it probably needs a little bit of freshening up and revitalizing. So some of that may get cleaned up here and organized and sort of reboosted. So but check out the verified vainglory discord.
As well this will be a great hub for then glory community edition. Going for it. But that s it for me. Matthew chris.
Thank you guys again for all the support throughout all of these years. It really means a lot to us and thank you in advance for the support and the patience with us over the next couple of weeks and months. The thing that i am excited about that we get to work directly together with all of you guys. The vainglory community to create something that is a true industry first the very first community driven cross platform mobile.
And that we think is a worthy dream to fight for thank you ” ..
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“Masterminds from the Lair; Kristian EdtheShred Segerstrale, Sean Loquori Austin, and Kevin cloaken Johnson; dive into the future plans for Vainglory in the wake of Rogue s departure as the game s publisher outside of China. Introducing Vainglory: Community Edition.nnFor more info on Vainglory: Community Edition and what to expect in the coming weeks: http://vainglory.com/news/vainglory-community-editionnn__________________________________________nnLinks and things: nAnnouncement about Rogue stepping back – https://www.reddit.com/r/vainglorygame/comments/fqc2c1/update_from_the_lair/nReddit AMA thread – https://www.reddit.com/r/vainglorygame/comments/ft703d/semc_ama_vainglory_community_edition/ncloaken s twitter – http://twitter.com/kmicjnVG Discord – http://discord.gg/vainglorynnnFor info on how to get involved hosting community servers – community(at)superevilmegacorp.com”,
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